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  2. [18:16] <+TouchMe> used to like his music
  3. [18:16] <Batmayne> maybe my next big project should just be a crypting service
  4. [18:16] <Batmayne> i feel like that could almost be more worth it
  5. [18:17] <TheCurator> Batmayne: more worth it than what?
  6. [18:17] <vapor> people would pay a lot for a crypter that is great for betabot, and who can provide that better than the coder itself :P
  7. [18:18] <Batmayne> than bot
  8. [18:18] <Batmayne> not exactly monetary wise either
  9. [18:18] <Batmayne> i mean like
  10. [18:18] <Batmayne> it's virtually zero-risk
  11. [18:18] <Batmayne> and still a lot of cash
  12. [18:18] <TheCurator> That's a good point
  13. [18:19] <Batmayne> bot brings in more money but crypt service is much better in terms of safety
  14. [18:19] <TheCurator> Bot is very dangerous
  15. [18:20] <TheCurator> You can get arrested for just selling a bot not even using it
  16. [18:20] <Batmayne> if you knowingly do anything to support a crime that is still a crime itself
  17. [18:20] <vapor> technically he never sold the bot
  18. [18:20] <Batmayne> at least in the US
  19. [18:21] <TheCurator> For a crypting service you just cover your ass in the TOS
  20. [18:21] <Batmayne> so technicalllllllllllly anyone who has provided help towards say, carberp, knowing it was going to be sold to commit fraud, could all be wrapped up under a RICO charge in the US
  21. [18:21] <Batmayne> yeah i guess
  22. [18:21] <TheCurator> Selling a bot is like selling a nuke
  23. [18:21] <Batmayne> in the end basically, it comes down to how well you can prove that you didn't know what they were doing
  24. [18:21] <vapor> couldnt you say that betabot is for educational purposes only
  25. [18:21] <Batmayne> if there is a single log of you acknowledging their activities
  26. [18:21] <Batmayne> thats it
  27. [18:21] <Batmayne> no
  28. [18:21] <Batmayne> you can't do that vapor
  29. [18:21] <vapor> oh
  30. [18:21] <Batmayne> you can, but it doesn't make shit of a difference
  31. [18:21] <bake> lmfao
  32. [18:22] <TheCurator> reguardless of TOS they will try and arrest you for selling a bot
  33. [18:22] <TheCurator> They hate bot makers
  34. [18:22] <Batmayne> vapor: in the end they really just have to convince a jury (in US), so even if you try and go by technicalities it isn't always so easy
  35. [18:22] <bake> curator,
  36. [18:22] <bake> they hate fraud
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  38. [18:22] <vapor> true
  39. [18:22] <TheCurator> bake: That too.
  40. [18:23] <Batmayne> whenever you take peoples money you move to the top of the priorities list
  41. [18:23] <Batmayne> the top things always include things that are gaining media traction, and things that are costing <someone> a lot of money
  42. [18:23] <TheCurator> Money is the ultimate trap
  43. [18:23] <vapor> is it illegal to sell a crypter
  44. [18:23] <Batmayne> usually targeting businesses and banks will get an investigation rolling easily
  45. [18:24] <TheCurator> vapor: Not really
  46. [18:24] <Batmayne> like using ZeuS to lift 200,000 out of a business account would probably get its own investigation right away
  47. [18:24] <Batmayne> and later merged into a larger one if you are doing that to more than one
  48. [18:24] <TheCurator> Vapor: Depends on how you sell it
  49. [18:24] <+TouchMe> lul
  50. [18:25] <+TouchMe> crypter based work is the most boring shit ever
  51. [18:25] <vapor> BetaCrypt
  52. [18:25] <TheCurator> All aboard the BetaCrypt train!
  53. [18:25] <Batmayne> instead of 'betafed'
  54. [18:25] <Batmayne> it could be
  55. [18:25] <Batmayne> BetaFUD
  56. [18:26] <vapor> well that can be false advertisement if it ever gets unfud
  57. [18:26] <vapor> then bitches be complaining
  58. [18:26] <TheCurator> Lol <(x.x)<
  59. [18:26] <+TouchMe> damn now someone has reminded me of basshunter i have to do lsd