1. [2:50 PM] [HON] Hālian: [2:48 PM] Hālian: is having… “existential crisis” is probably too hyperbolic, but he can't think of a better word for now, about… Safiria
  2. [2:49 PM] Hālian: Specifically, I'm not sure that it's plausible for a culture of communalist pacifistic naturally-psychic humanoid aliens to develop money or politics or a military or etc., but at the same time I can't really think of anything to replace them with that scales well to a population of about 190-200 million in their homeland and billions throughout the star empire that centers around them.
  3. [2:51 PM] [VYK] James: You need external threats.
  4. [2:51 PM] [IRS] Ardy: They didn't encounter humans until they were too well established for the homicidal upright apes to do anything about it? :wink:
  5. [2:52 PM] [VYK] James: Like, a natural enemy, both on and of world
  6. [2:52 PM] [VYK] James: We haven't really been giving them any trouble.
  7. [2:52 PM] [VYK] James: They need to have some sort of fear or anger or such. They need an enemy.
  8. [2:52 PM] [HON] Hālian: @[IRS] Ardy The United States already existed by the time of first contact with man
  9. [2:53 PM] [VYK] James: They need compatriots to compete against too.(edited)
  10. [2:53 PM] [VYK] James: Some other species they don't neccesarily hate, but want to one-up.
  11. [2:53 PM] [HON] Hālian: I also don't follow as to how external threats replace money, politicians, or the military
  12. [2:53 PM] [VYK] James: They encourgae innovation ad progresson.
  13. [2:54 PM] [VYK] James: Without a reason to progress, nothing wlil.(edited)
  14. [2:54 PM] [HON] Hālian: Ah
  15. [2:54 PM] [HON] Hālian: Hrm
  16. [2:54 PM] [IRS] Ardy: Instead of a military a Boundary Harmonisation Society? :stuck_out_tongue:
  17. [2:54 PM] [VYK] James: And money could be replaced with trust and favours and such.
  18. [2:54 PM] [HON] Hālian: The server in which I originally put the question suggested that the goal be to better their society, Star Trek-style
  19. [2:54 PM] [HON] Hālian: which is all well and good but not a concrete answer to the question, unfortunately
  20. [2:54 PM] [IRS] Ardy: Even the Federation needed Star Fleet, had to deal with the Orion Syndicate and the Ferangi from time to time(edited)
  21. [2:55 PM] [VYK] James: Politics may not exist in a human sense, but could very well exist in the sense that everyone has control over their own domain but groups of people have control over larger ones, and co-operation would be needed.
  22. [2:55 PM] [HON] Hālian: The Sair Alliance has a spce fleet, it is known
  23. [2:55 PM] [HON] Hālian: but Firneramnen's (the motherland) military is not
  24. [2:56 PM] [VYK] James: Like, use a system where more safir in an aream mans a stronger psionic signal, but only if they can co-oprerate.
  25. [2:56 PM] [VYK] James: Politics could come into play ovr trying to boost the signal for natural reward.
  26. [2:57 PM] [HON] Hālian: contemplates barter or gift economies, but isn't sure if they'll scale up that much
  27. [2:57 PM] [VYK] James: If they'e communalistic by psionic nature, the signal boost reward should be reason enough to form some sort of political system.
  28. [2:58 PM] [VYK] James: TBH, we could have two systems, barter for local trade, and a larger one for intercolonial trade.
  29. [2:58 PM] [VYK] James: The larger one being based on owed favours and trust.(edited)
  30. [2:59 PM] [VYK] James: Trust should be a key thing in a psionic society, one of the only things a psion would keep to themselves is how much they trust a person, and that trust could be used as a form of politcal leverage, hence, it's a currency.
  31. [3:00 PM] [VYK] James: Currencies need not be physical nor quantifieable, they can merely be a store of value in any sense.
  32. [3:00 PM] [VYK] James: At least, that'd be the case with psionic beings.
  33. [3:01 PM] [RS] ari: Goddamnit, why does the only interesting thing about Ripple keep getting harder and harder to find
  34. [3:01 PM] [VYK] James: Just spitballing here, tbh.
  35. [3:01 PM] [RS] ari: http://blog.hasslberger.com/docs/decentralizedcurrency.pdf
  36. [3:01 PM] [VYK] James: Ripple!
  37. [3:01 PM] [VYK] James: I had that in mind writing this out. :stuck_out_tongue:
  38. [3:01 PM] [VYK] James: I used to be all up in the tech surrounding cryptocurrencies and such.
  39. [3:01 PM] [RS] ari: My proposal is informal debt locally, and that linked thing on the large scale
  40. [3:01 PM] [VYK] James: That could work. :stuck_out_tongue:
  41. [3:02 PM] [VYK] James: I might actually borrow that for the Itavr, but make some small adjustments.(edited)
  42. [3:02 PM] [RS] ari: I hate what cryptocurrencies did to Ripple
  43. [3:02 PM] [VYK] James: Indeed. :frowning:
  44. [3:02 PM] [RS] ari: That paper blew my mind when I first read it
  45. [3:02 PM] [HON] Hālian: reads while his food cooks
  46. [3:03 PM] [RS] ari: Now the only thing everyone knows Ripple as is "that alt coin that's even scammier than the others"
  47. [3:04 PM] [HON] Hālian: "Social trust network" definitely sounds like a thing a society of psychics would have
  48. [3:09 PM] [VYK] James: Indeed.